Posts by The Searcher

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Different Teachings on Who God's People Are

by GTis4U in

*** ws chap.

13 p. 112 par.

14 so, now, thanks to jehovah that he has provided the capable mediator who is successfully accomplishing the purpose of the new covenant in producing a people, 144,000 strong, for his name!

The Searcher

@ ucantnome

You are so right; but there are some who claim to be Christian, and yet contradict examples and teachings of the very word of God. Are they stupid, blind, or just plain hypocrites?

For instance Paul said to fellow Christians, " Not that we are the masters over YOUR faith, but we are fellow workers". Similarly, Jesus had told his apostles, " one is YOUR teacher, whereas all YOU are brothers."

Paul also said, " each of us will render an account for himself to God."

Therefore, Christ is our Leader, and he will judge us on our faith and our application of scriptures.

Genuine Christians have no excuses for being deceived - the Scriptural warnings are all there for them to read for themselves, regarding false teachers rising up in their congregations; (2 Peter 2:1) regarding false Anointed and false prophets; (Matthew 24:24) regarding false leaders who set themselves up as objects of reverence; (2 Thess. 2:4).

The list goes on and on........................and the internet (and the Watchtower CD ROM) is awash with information which genuine truth-seekers should examine.

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2012 Our Kingdom Ministry, October!

by Atlantis in

2012 our kingdom ministry, october-(8 pages).pdf..click the link in the blue box by the blue arrow.http://www.sendspace.com/file/80ua4i.scans: (wait a second or two for full size).1. http://uploadnow.org/share/340608-10001.jpeg.2.

http://uploadnow.org/share/340609-20001.jpeg.3.

http://uploadnow.org/share/340611-30001.jpeg.4.

The Searcher

Can the Organisation verify this statement as a proven fact?

If not, then I am speaking to shame them - practice what you preach, and don't publish information which has absolutely no relevance to a Christian's way of life. Whoever is responsible for this trash should be removed from writing articles and be given a stern talking to.

That's how a congregation B.O.E. would deal with someone quoting drivel as if it was inspired!

I'd like to counter-claim - the apostle Paul worked at making tents wherever he went, in order that he he wouldn't be living off fellow Christians. Only when he'd earned enough to pay for his daily needs would he go and talk to people about the Christ.

Now that's in the Bible - but to use a fanciful quote from a Bible "scholar" which has no Scriptural basis whatsoever.............. and then to use it as an example for evening witnessing............????????

"Test the inspired expressions".

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2012 Our Kingdom Ministry, October!

by Atlantis in

2012 our kingdom ministry, october-(8 pages).pdf..click the link in the blue box by the blue arrow.http://www.sendspace.com/file/80ua4i.scans: (wait a second or two for full size).1. http://uploadnow.org/share/340608-10001.jpeg.2.

http://uploadnow.org/share/340609-20001.jpeg.3.

http://uploadnow.org/share/340611-30001.jpeg.4.

The Searcher

Can the Organisation verify this statement as a proven?

If not, then I am speaking to shame them - practice what you preach, and don't publish information which has absolutely no relevance to a Christian's way of life. Whoever is responsible for this trash should be removed from writing articles and be given a stern talking to.

That's how a congregation B.O.E. would deal with someone quoting drivel as if it was inspired!

I'd like to counter-claim - the apostle Paul worked at making tents wherever he went, in order that he he wouldn't be living off fellow Christians. Only when he'd earned enough to pay for his daily needs would he go and talk to people about the Christ.

Now that's in the Bible - but to use a fanciful quote from a Bible "scholar" which has no Scriptural basis whatsoever.............. and then to use it as an example for evening witnessing............????????

"Test the inspired expressions".

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Misapplication of Matt. 25:40 in Watchtower Study on Sunday

by The Searcher in

sheep & goats.

jesus said, "truly i say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me".. exactly to whom was jesus addressing these words, and who were his "brothers?.

the subject matter of matthew chapter 25 deals with christ's judgement of all humans, and verses 32 & 33 make it crystal clear that there only two groups standing before him - 'sheep' and 'goats'.

The Searcher

Sheep & Goats

At Matthew 25:40,

Jesus said, "Truly I say to YOU, To the extent that YOU did it to one of the

least of these my brothers, YOU did it to me".

Exactly to

whom

was Jesus addressing these words, and who were his "brothers?

The subject matter of Matthew chapter 25 deals with Christ's judgement of all

humans,

and verses

32 & 33 make it crystal clear that there only

two

groups standing before him - 'sheep' and 'goats'.

Keep in mind that during his ministry, Jesus referred to himself as

"the fine shepherd"

who would

give his life on behalf of his sheep. (

John 10:11-15)

He also made it clear, despite his apostles'

arguments about who was greater, that none of his sheep would be elevated over the others, and in

reality, they were all slaves.

(Luke 17:10) Jesus only had one

flock of sheep, and it was to this

complete

flock he was speaking. Some may protest that Jesus spoke of his "brothers", so therefore
his "brothers" must be separate from this group. Good point - but not backed up by the Bible.

Despite what several millions of people have been

led

to believe about the identity of Christ's

brothers, the

Scriptures lovingly instruct us as to who God and Christ

view are Jesus' "brothers".

Matthew 12:50 "

For whoever

does the will of my Father who is in heaven, the same is my brother,

and sister, and mother".

Mark 3:35 "

Whoever

does the will of God, this one is my brother and sister and mother.”

Luke 8:21

In reply he said to them: “My mother and my brothers are these who

hear the word of

God and do it."

John 1:12,13 "

However, as many as did receive him , to them he gave authority

to become God’s

children

, because they were exercising faith in his name

; and they were born, not

from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God".

John 15:14

YOU are my friends if YOU do what I am commanding YOU

.

Rom. 8:14

"For all

who are led by God’s spirit, these are God’s sons.

Jesus addressed Jehovah as his

Father. How were all

his disciples to address Jehovah? (Matt. 6:9)

Some may try to justify their false/misguided teaching by saying that "the Greek Scriptures were

primarily written for, and addressed to, "

anointed"

Christians, because all first century Christians

were of the

"anointed "class" .

Again, a false premise. If this was true, then Jesus' promise to the

thousands at the Sermon on the Mount about the meek inheriting the earth was inapplicable for his

audience,

because they were all going to heaven

!

Nowhere

in the Scriptures does it even infer
that everyone who put faith in Christ, automatically
became part of those with the heavenly hope.
If it were so, a strong case should be made for the repentant thief who died next to Jesus, to go to

heaven also. So what was Jesus really saying at
Matthew 25:40?

He was addressing and referring to every Christian

individually
as his sheep and brothers,
(regardless of their hope) and informing each one
individually
that because they had lovingly
adhered to his new commandment to show genuine love for
all
fellow Christians they would now
receive their appropriate reward.
(John 13:35)

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Misapplication of Matt. 25:40 in Watchtower Study on Sunday

by The Searcher in

sheep & goats.

jesus said, "truly i say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me".. exactly to whom was jesus addressing these words, and who were his "brothers?.

the subject matter of matthew chapter 25 deals with christ's judgement of all humans, and verses 32 & 33 make it crystal clear that there only two groups standing before him - 'sheep' and 'goats'.

The Searcher

S he ep & Goats

Jesus said, "Truly I say to YOU, To the extent that YOU did it to one of the least of these my brothers, YOU did it to me".

Exactly to whom was Jesus addressing these words, and who were his "brothers?

The subject matter of Matthew chapter 25 deals with Christ's judgement of all humans, and verses 32 & 33 make it crystal clear that there only two groups standing before him - 'sheep' and 'goats'. Keep in mind that during his ministry, Jesus referred to himself as "the fine shepherd" who would give his life on behalf of his sheep. ( John 10:11-15)

He also made it clear, despite his apostles' arguments about who was greater, that none of his sheep would be elevated over the others, and in reality, they were all slaves. (Luke 17:10) Jesus only had one flock of sheep, and it was to this complete flock he was speaking.

Some may protest that Jesus spoke of his "brothers", so therefore his "brothers" must be separate from this group.

Good point - but not backed up by the Bible. Despite what several millions of people have been led to believe about the identity of Christ's brothers, the Scriptures lovingly instruct us as to who God and Christ view are Jesus' "brothers". ( Matthew 12:50)

For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother". ( Mark 3:35)

"Whoever does the will of God, this one is my brother and sister and mother. ( Luke 8:21)

In reply he said to them: “My mother and my brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it." ( John 1:12,13)

"However, as many as did receive him , to them he gave authority to become God’s children , because they were exercising faith in his name ; and they were born, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God". ( John 15:14)

"For all who are led by God’s spirit, these are God’s sons". Rom. 8:14)

Jesus addressed Jehovah as his Father . How were all his disciples to address Jehovah? (Matt. 6:9) Some may try to justify their false/misguided teaching by saying that "the Greek Scriptures were primarily written for, and addressed to, " anointed" Christians, because all first century Christians were of the "heavenly " class". Again, a false premise. If this was true, then Jesus' promise to the thousands at the Sermon on the Mount about the meek inheriting the earth was inapplicable for his audience, because they were all going to heaven !

Nowhere

So what was Jesus really saying at Matthew 25:40?

He was addressing and referring to every Christian individually as his sheep and his brothers, (regardless of their hope) and informing each one individually that because they had lovingly adhered to his new commandment to show genuine love for all fellow Christians, they would now receive their appropriate reward. (John 13:35)

in the Scriptures does it even infer that everyone who put faith in Christ, automatically became part of those with the heavenly hope. If it were so, a strong case should be made for the repentant thief who died next to Jesus, to go to heaven also.

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Will they get rid of the FDS concept?

by Hermano in

what do they need the fds concept for?

it's a weak idea, based on one scripture which is a rhetorical question.

they've already published several articles indicating that just because you are annointed doesn't mean you have any special insight, so they've already disconnected annointed from leadership.

The Searcher

As a Witness myself, I woke up to the contradiction of the teaching & application of Matthew 24:45 quite some time ago, namely, that the Governing Body has numerous earthly-hoper "helpers" who write all the articles and provide "food at the proper time" - they don't personally do it! ( w924/15p.31 AssistanceforGoverningBodyCommittees)

Therefore, if only those with the heavenly-hope were assigned the task, then these writing committee members are demonstrating haughtiness in the extreme by accepting duties assigned only to the "priesthood".

Also, earthly-hopers have as much or little insight of the scriptures as the heavenly-hopers, as can be seen by searching the CD ROM!

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Two Questions for the 'Governing Body'

by The Searcher in

i'm pretty certain in my own mind that certain ones at brooklyn will have been 'assigned' to monitor websites such as this, despite warning the 'flock' that they musn't do the same.

therefore, i expect such ones to pass this on.. my questions may seem "rebellious" to certain ones, but they deserve scriptural, not organizational answers -.

why are we as a worldwide brotherhood, urged to expend ourselves as much as possible in the ministry, discussing and defending with complete strangers our bible based beliefs, (1 peter 3:15) and yet we are expressly forbidden from doing so with our brothers and sisters?

The Searcher

Thanks everyone! :)

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Two Questions for the 'Governing Body'

by The Searcher in

i'm pretty certain in my own mind that certain ones at brooklyn will have been 'assigned' to monitor websites such as this, despite warning the 'flock' that they musn't do the same.

therefore, i expect such ones to pass this on.. my questions may seem "rebellious" to certain ones, but they deserve scriptural, not organizational answers -.

why are we as a worldwide brotherhood, urged to expend ourselves as much as possible in the ministry, discussing and defending with complete strangers our bible based beliefs, (1 peter 3:15) and yet we are expressly forbidden from doing so with our brothers and sisters?

The Searcher

I'm pretty certain in my own mind that certain ones at Brooklyn will have been 'assigned' to monitor websites such as this, despite warning the 'flock' that they musn't do the same. Therefore, I expect such ones to pass this on.

My questions may seem "rebellious" to certain ones, but they deserve Scriptural, not organizational answers -

Why are we as a worldwide brotherhood, urged to expend ourselves as much as possible in the ministry, discussing and defending with complete strangers our Bible based beliefs, (1 Peter 3:15) and yet we are expressly forbidden from doing so with our brothers and sisters? (September 2007 Kingdom Ministry - Questions From Readers) Unless of course the brothers happen to be Elders!

Shouldn't we imitate the Beroeans who carefully examined the definitely anointed apostle Paul's teachings, to see if they harmonized with the Scriptures? (Acts 17:11) They were called 'noble-minded' for doing so.

Perhaps your ban has the opposite effect on many brothers, by encouraging them to discuss Bible teachings as opposed to Organizational teachings on websites such as this. It worked for me!

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Why would Jehovah wait so long?

by schnare in

jehovah's witnesses and many other religions believe jesus will return or has returned (invisibly .

The Searcher

@ MP - who wrote "If im wrong please show me where it says God will send his son to die to pay for our sin or something similar."

As soon as Adam & Eve sinned and brought death to all their descendants, (Romans 5:12, 18, 19) God gave us the very first prophecy in the Bible (Genesis 3:15) to show that a 'seed' would be produced to undo all the forthcoming damage to mankind. That 'seed' was to be one individual - Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:16)

As the centuries passed, more and more information about this special 'seed' was gradually revealed; facts such as Daniel 9:25 - 27 tells us, that the Messiah would die in the "middle of the week", (three and a half years) but the Law Covenant would continue till the end of the week. (three and a half years later)

The Israelites sacrificed the blood of animals for forgiveness of sins, and these sacrifices foreshadowed "the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world." Hence Paul said, "For indeed our Passover has been sacrificed." 1 Cor. 5:7.

Hope this explains one or two things.

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A Dazzling apologist effort concerning Watchtower United Nations N G O

by Terry in

introduction: in the beginning.

how it all started.

read this chapter.... know your ngos!.

The Searcher

OK Terry, as a serving Witness myself, I cannot reconcile having any connections with the U.N., based on the teachings of Christ (no part of Satan's world) and Paul's words about not even touching the unclean thing!

Can you reconcile the WTBTS sending representatives to the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) convention in Europe each year?

Surely the title of the organisation says it all to you? Check out its website for its aims, objectives & methods. Also, have a look at some of the other organisations they are rubbing shoulders with when they are there. It's hypocrisy in the extreme and sinning against the Holy Spirit - nothing less!!

And please don't try to deny this association - I already have a recording I made, of a Branch official with a superior attitude, wriggling like a snake trying to justify their involvement from "a human implementation" perspective.

Also, the first brother to whom I spoke was clearly afraid to answer my questions and insisted I call back.

Do these brothers actually listen to themselves? God help them before it's too late! (Rev.2:22)

Don't be fooled - TEST THE INSPIRED EXPRESSIONS - USING GOD'S WORD, NOT LITERATURE!